Topic: British cruise ship passenger 'seen falling overboard'

And some passengers arrive back late when they have been ashore making the ship sail late for its next destination. No consideration for the other passengers what-so-ever. This means the captain has to get is foot down making the ship rock and roll for a time. Mind you, its better than some of the rock and roll you get on cruise ships. I do get fed up of Freddy Mercury. I bet his music was played on that gay cruise. And it should be left there ! Maybe that passenger had been listening to, 'Who Wants To Live Forever?'

Seems to me there is a lack of compassion on this thread and in some cases a lack of understanding.

We don't know the circumstances of this sad case so at the moment, and could be for ever, all suggestions as to the cause are pure supposition.

The lack of understanding comes in when someone decides to kill themselves their thoughts are usually not the thoughts of a normal person and the mental problems they have normally overwhelm any thought, other than their own predicament. This means that the consequences of their actions are just not thought about, someone who is serious about suicide usually believes that everyone's problems will be solved if they aren't there. We all know that the consequences for anyone involved in the death can be very far reaching but to a suicidal person those thoughts are usually outside of their thought range.

There also seemed to be a certain element of homophobic conjecture and insinuation which at this time should be unwanted and not our concern.

The loss of any life is sad and when it happens like this our thoughts should be with those directly concerned. Those are my opinions, I hope they are yours. ......Neil

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Sorry ..................... but i do take your point. but i cant change my mind. Anyone who wants to take their own life for whatever reason has no right to impose the result of their selfish actions on the rest of us. The many will suffer for the actions of one, is this fair? Is this a great way to treat your fellow human beings? If you really want to do it, and i cannot see any reason why it's "the only way", why not do it in a way that causes the many no pain at all?
Call me selfish if you wish, but i most certainly wont be doing anything similar.

You have obviously never known anyone close to you who took their own life. I have and be assured it is not the act of a rational person, they must be in such turmoil that thinking of the consequences for others does not figure on their radar. The biggest problem is they do not give any clues as to their state of mind so unfortunately know one sees it coming.
As for your last line; I really hope that's true! But I feel sure that most of the people who have take their own lives would have said the same if asked before they became so troubled.

Keith.

Of course the topic is homophobic. Why wouldn't it be on a all gay cruise? Killing yourself at one time would mean that you couldn't be buried on consecrated ground. You had to be buried outside the church walls. Life isn't supposed to be yours to take away. Of course killing yourself at sea wouldn't apply if your body was never found. Why do you think people dying of cancer or any other terminal illness goes abroad for help to die when they could do it themselves?

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Of course the topic is homophobic. Why wouldn't it be on a all gay cruise? Killing yourself at one time would mean that you couldn't be buried on consecrated ground. You had to be buried outside the church walls. Life isn't supposed to be yours to take away. Of course killing yourself at sea wouldn't apply if your body was never found. Why do you think people dying of cancer or any other terminal illness goes abroad for help to die when they could do it themselves?

Are you sure you mean "homophobic" ie. having an unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality?

There is no reason why that term should apply to that cruise, is there?

As to the rest of your post I must admit that I find your reasoning strange to say the least.

Bodies are often washed up or found after drowning and are given a burial, mostly in consecrated ground. There is nothing to stop a "gay" person from being buried in consecrated ground today. You are also assuming this person was "gay" too, that is not necessarily the case and if he was what difference would that make?

Today's laws do not make it a criminal offence to kill oneself, it might go against the grain to certain people but it is not illegal. Assisting someone to die in this country is, however still a criminal action; which is why some people go overseas to have an assisted death. I do not, for one minute, believe that it is because of the reasons you put forward. .....Neil

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And some passengers arrive back late when they have been ashore making the ship sail late for its next destination. No consideration for the other passengers what-so-ever. This means the captain has to get is foot down making the ship rock and roll for a time. Mind you, its better than some of the rock and roll you get on cruise ships. I do get fed up of Freddy Mercury. I bet his music was played on that gay cruise. And it should be left there ! Maybe that passenger had been listening to, 'Who Wants To Live Forever?'

Freddie Mercury was one of the worlds most talented performers.

Apart from being in one of the greatest rock bands EVER, Freddie Mercury recorded, with Montserrat Caballé, the most amazing, spine tingling pop opera song... Barcelona. A star of its genre.

He was fantastic and a devastating loss to the world of music.

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Freddie Mercury was one of the worlds most talented performers.

Apart from being in one of the greatest rock bands EVER, Freddie Mercury recorded, with Montserrat Caballé, the most amazing, spine tingling pop opera song... Barcelona. A star of its genre.

He was fantastic and a devastating loss to the world of music.

Well said Mrs M. I sat on the steps by the fountains in Barcelona a week after the Olympics finished in 1992 and listened to that record being played over the speakers. The spine tingling sensation was indescribable, as you say one of pop musics true greats!

Keith.

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Seems to me there is a lack of compassion on this thread and in some cases a lack of understanding.

We don't know the circumstances of this sad case so at the moment, and could be for ever, all suggestions as to the cause are pure supposition.

The lack of understanding comes in when someone decides to kill themselves their thoughts are usually not the thoughts of a normal person and the mental problems they have normally overwhelm any thought, other than their own predicament. This means that the consequences of their actions are just not thought about, someone who is serious about suicide usually believes that everyone's problems will be solved if they aren't there. We all know that the consequences for anyone involved in the death can be very far reaching but to a suicidal person those thoughts are usually outside of their thought range.

There also seemed to be a certain element of homophobic conjecture and insinuation which at this time should be unwanted and not our concern.

The loss of any life is sad and when it happens like this our thoughts should be with those directly concerned. Those are my opinions, I hope they are yours. ......Neil

I so agree Neil, what happened to compassion & empathy?

I trained as a Counsellor over three years, to add value to my role. I cannot begin to describe some of the angst people suffer, in committing suicide, that for them is the way they have control, the only control.

I won't go on as I am likely to become angry.

I thought we were far more enlightened these days about suicide , homosexuality etc , but reading this , obviously some of us have a long way to go.
I agree wholeheartedly with Neil Down , the mind of someone who is focussed on taking their own life , is certainly not a rational mind. That any one can feel such despair that they want to end their life is just so sad.
None of us know the circumstances of this case , except that a young man has died , surely that is enough to feel compassion .
Somewhere a family are grieving and struggling to come to terms with this dreadful event. My heart goes out to them and if indeed it was suicide , they will suffer dreadful torment . I know this because a member of my family took his own life and we were left totally devastated and with such a dreadful feeling of guilt because we had no idea .
I hope people will think before they post such selfish thoughts. None of us know what lies ahead and mental illness can strike anyone.
I hope he has found a peace in death he could not find in life.

We seem to be going round in circles here. It was a gay cruise so I think that the person who killed himself was gay. We seem to be afraid to talk about this topic because of saying something we might get into trouble for. I haven't said anything that I class myself has being against gay people. If he chose to end is life for whatever reason then it was his life to end. As far as Freddy Mercury being good at what he did I'm sure he was, but so were a lot of other rock bands at that time. Doesn't mean I have to have him pushed down my throat on every cruise. Does it?