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    What a rude arrogant reply Pushton, we in the South are not selfconceited southerners anymore than northerners are seen as flatcapped with whippits , please continue to fly and hopefully we will not come across you and your outdated ideas.CG
    I didn't find the comment rude or arrogant, but certainly generalist and unfair to the many, many people who live down South who do not hold or share those views.

    However, when you look at the way the Government invests our money there is clearly an unbalanced distribution centered on the South East of the Country. Any decisions that help redress this balance has to be a good thing.

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    Liverpool could offer a much welcomed alternative to Southampton. It has a lot to offer, both historical and modern.

    I'd welcome the opportunity to depart from Liverpool.

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    What a Cheek !

    So Doug Morrisin thinks that everyone should be forced to drive all the way to Southampton just so that he can keep his near monopoly , what a cheek !

    People in the midland , north of england and scotland will welcome the allowing of Liverpool to start and finish cruises , I'm surprised the competition authorities didn't insist on this earlier.

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    A Southampton port boss has expressed his anger at the government’s decision to reverse its ruling on granting cruise turnaround status to the city of Liverpool.



    Liverpool had previously been granted a £20 million subsidy to develop cruise facilities under the agreement that no cruise ship would be allowed to begin or end in the city.

    However after applying to have the decision overturned, the government subsequently changed its mind, allowing Liverpool its new cruise status, provided that £8.8 million of the public money used to build the port was repaid.

    Speaking to TTG Digital, ABP port director Southampton Doug Morrison hit out at the decision and instead called on the Liverpool authorities to pay back all of the money awarded.

    “We continue to believe that the only fair outcome is for all of the public money to be repaid and will continue to put this case to the Government and the European Commission,” he said.



    The development of the new cruise terminal could provide a serious dent to Southampton’s important cruise tourism industry.

    Despite these concerns though, representatives from cruise giants Royal Caribbean have already moved to pledge their loyalty to providing trips from the south-coast city.

    Do you think he is right to feel aggrieved?



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    Having cruised twice from Southampton, I'd be very reluctant to do it again. Lazy porters who are obviously overpaid and not hungry enough for the tips! I could not believe that they watched me struggle with cases hand baggage and a wheelchair on both occasions. Other ports the porters were there in a flash, keen to earn money.

    On the other hand we arrived on a stop in Liverpool and were welcomed by the town crier, band, loads of people handing out maps and directing passengers and all done with a genuine smile. All were dressed in lovely lilac jackets so that they were easily recognisable to the tourists. The difference in attitude was like chalk and cheese!!!

    If you want to keep your cruise business Southampton then you need to get your act together and work harder. We have joined cruises in France, Italy, and several Caribbean and US ports. Southampton is the worst port of all of them by a long way IMHO.


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    I totally agree, typical southern comments, it's about time us Northerners have a choice of ports, it is a pain having to travel to Dover or Southampton and often pay to stay overnight in a hotel. I am in Staffordshire and can get to Liverpool in under an hour, so great news for me.


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    Hi Vinny I don't agree we are supposed to be a civilised country so I am afraid I do find comments such as these rude and arrogant, and doesn't do anything to reject these oldfashioned digs regarding the North /South divide. CG


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    I find it rather sad that this has degenerated into a North/South argument again. The original post wasn't stating that Liverpool shouldn't be used that as a turnaround port but that if it was, the money which had been granted to them under certain conditions should be given back.


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    What an absolutley blinkered cretin. He seems to be the epitomy of the conceited self-centered southerner, who think that the whole of the uk should be dependant on their own particular facility.
    Doesn't the north of england and it's population exist to this man? I imagine that he's only aware of people as cash generating units, who should have no alternative but to sustain him in his self-absorbing bubble.
    My wife and I have only recently arrived at cruising due to family reasons. But have never considered a U.K departure, due the the time, distance, cost and general inconvenience of the Southampton terminal.The return trip home after departing the cruise is also a big negative point.
    So well done to the government on this one, for realising that the world doesn't begin and end within an hour or two of Southampton port.
    Talking of blinkered cretins I think that you have missed some quite valid points and misunderstood others.

    I believe that Liverpool will get some cruise traffic, I do not think that it will be, in the main, the more popular lines nor do I see a preponderance of the larger vessels using Liverpool as it's hub but they will get some.

    Having said that they will get some cruise ships so the next thing to consider is are they the cruise ships that most people will want to use and are they going to have itineraries that many people will want to go on. When most people buy a cruise they do not necessarily make the embarkation port a major criterion for their purchase.

    So all this excitement about " It will be much easier for us to get to" fades into insignificance if; the ship is not what you want and the ports of call are not those that interest you.

    I think that Port Liverpool is a fait accompli but is it going to offer that which the general populace is happy with and therefore does Southampton have a huge amount to worry itself about?......Neil


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    Mmm, northern based cruisers obviously like the Liverpool option, though I don't follow why the likes of Cheshire, Leeds & Derbyshire face an overnight stay (for those who mentioned it). I'm just over an hour from Soton, and can get to Sheffield in 2 and a bit (Chester similar) so it's not a whole day trek? Every Sat we see Eavesway (other coach firms available) cruiser coaches going down the A34 to Soton, others returning, they seem quite popular so must be an option? And if you DO have a Soton o'night, well, at least use one of the many hotel or b&b park & stay options, likely to be more convenient and less costly than buying your own car parking at one of the usual places.

    What nobody seems to have mentioned is that cruises starting/ending in Liverpool (or Newcastle, Leith, Glasgow, whatever) will take more time to get to the bulk of Europe, as not all cruises from such locations will be going to Iceland or Norway?

    And, as for the argument about, we live up north, never go from Soton, always fly, that's just bizarre. Given the major aggro of flying, the time you have to be there before flying, plus the time and cost of parking, plus the luggage restrictions, that just doesn't add up. (Yes, if you're doing Caribbean, or Eastern Med, sure, we all fly and have to put up with it . . .).


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    Hi Vinny I don't agree we are supposed to be a civilised country so I am afraid I do find comments such as these rude and arrogant, and doesn't do anything to reject these oldfashioned digs regarding the North /South divide. CG
    Afternoon CG, Isn't the weather glorious.

    Of course you are entitled to disagree. However, I don't believe that there is a need to 'reject' views regarding the North South devide. Most analysis of the subject usually concludes with a statement that there 'is' a devide and its often larger than 'initially' thought.

    The views expressed by the Port are indicative of those who prefer to maintain the 'status quo'. Coming from Manchester I remember all the fuss when our local airport wanted to expand and had the cheek to ask for assistance to build a second runway. We get there in the end because we are determined, present our case robustly and are not afraid to challenge those dated views.

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    Mmm, northern based cruisers obviously like the Liverpool option, though I don't follow why the likes of Cheshire, Leeds & Derbyshire face an overnight stay (for those who mentioned it). I'm just over an hour from Soton, and can get to Sheffield in 2 and a bit (Chester similar) so it's not a whole day trek? Every Sat we see Eavesway (other coach firms available) cruiser coaches going down the A34 to Soton, others returning, they seem quite popular so must be an option? And if you DO have a Soton o'night, well, at least use one of the many hotel or b&b park & stay options, likely to be more convenient and less costly than buying your own car parking at one of the usual places.

    What nobody seems to have mentioned is that cruises starting/ending in Liverpool (or Newcastle, Leith, Glasgow, whatever) will take more time to get to the bulk of Europe, as not all cruises from such locations will be going to Iceland or Norway?

    And, as for the argument about, we live up north, never go from Soton, always fly, that's just bizarre. Given the major aggro of flying, the time you have to be there before flying, plus the time and cost of parking, plus the luggage restrictions, that just doesn't add up. (Yes, if you're doing Caribbean, or Eastern Med, sure, we all fly and have to put up with it . . .).
    Tony,

    I do favour having a Liverpool option. I've cruised several times from Southampton and will do so again later this year. I have travelled down on the day of departure and have also stayed the previous night.

    When you travel down on the day of departure it can make quite a stressful start to your cruise. You just do not know if you will hit traffic and if and when you do, you have no idea how long it will delay you. Travelling the day previous makes it so stressfree.

    The point you make about the coaches travelling to Southampton ignores the fact that people, and there are many of them, have NO choice. If your chosen line is P&O or Cunard, where else can you board? If, for what ever reason, you cannot fly, your choice again is significantly restricted with Southampton servicing perhaps 90%, in terms of passenger numbers, departing the UK on a cruise.

    You mention the additional time at sea, circa 1/2 day extra, if heading towards the Med. Its really that insignificant.

    I don't quite understand the flying down to Southampton option. We have chosen to cruise out of Southampton in recent years for two reasons. Firstly we became a family and flying to the departure port became less appealing after once flying to Barcalona for a cruise and secondly our chosen cruise line, RCI, decided to port from Southampton.

    If RCI were to port out of Liverpool that would give me an additional option to consider in addition to Harwich and Southampton.

    Vinny


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