Topic: Cigarettes and Alcohol

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Also if someone becomes a problem with alcohol they will be put of of the ship,and yes I have seen this happen.
Actually Dave ,how many times are you going to regurgitate this thread, regards smoking and then citing alcohol dependancy, it's getting so boring now.

As for smoker's having a better time than non smoker's what a load of tosh,you are what you are and if you are a miserable old git normally,! then your are still a miserable old git whether you smoke or not.
If you want to smoke that's up to you as long as it dosen't affect me I really don't care, so change the record we are all sick and tired of it.

Hi Cornish Girl

With much more respect than you show me, might I say that I will start any topic I choose (even though this one was at Neil's suggestion - you can't please everyone!).

When I log on to the forum I usually find the New Posts littered with word games - they don't interest me so I don't take part. Have you thought of doing something similar?

Regards

I don't think I have shown you any lack of respect Dave, and yes you can start any topic you like, but the point is it is always the same one move on, it's flogging a dead horse,for flogging's sake

Where are the old threads you used to post on here? regarding old ships etc, you contributed quite a few more than smoking.

I have posted quite a few topics on here, and will continue to do so,in fact before you went off the forum for a while, I told you about an incident that happened here in 1950's regarding the Flying enterprise, now I though that might have interested you, as you are interested in old merchant ships , but you didn't reply.

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This and the smoking thread, like all the past smoking threads, of which there have been many serve no purpose as people will just carry on with their personal addictions anyway - who is trying to convert who? What happened to 'Live and let Live'.

I assume most of the members on here grew up in the days of coal fires and industrial chimneys belching out smoke 24 hours a day - remember 'smog' I do - whole towns shrouded in a haze of smoke when looked down upon from a hill.

To add - I am a non-smoker and a non-drinker and have been for the last 32 years.

Smokers have their restricted area's these days, dont go near them if you dont want to smell smoke, personally I find the smell of beer obnoxious but that doesn't stop me socialising with my glass of lemonade.

I find the odour of BO or stale perfume more obnoxious than a whiff of cigarette smoke as I walk by a smoker, and thats all it is 'a whiff'.

There are far more social issues worthy of debate on here without the need to constantly keep harping on about smoking, if people's personal habits were the only problems in this world of ours, we would be living in a far better place than we are at present.

We all have choices as to how we live our lives, and it is up as 'Individuals' to make those choices, and not be influenced by others.

Not intended to aggravate the anti-smoking brigade, but I have just seen on the news that the MP Brian Finley (Con) for Northampton, is petitioning to get smoking allowed again in public houses albeit in 'Smoking only' rooms.[/COLOR]

Well said Dave. what is puzzling me is why there has been in comment from Neil? He has had 3 hours to pedal his opinion but alas we have silence.

As a smoker myself, I have often wondered to myself in quiet moments of reflection, when will the sale of tobacco be banned completely. I have also wondered if alcohol will one day follow the same path.

I like to think I enjoy both in moderation and contary to Neil's continual reiteration, I am considerate whilst undertaking both social habits (I don't consider them addictions). I smoke regularly, most days about 5-6, depends what I'm am doing and who I am with. I don't smoke within the home and will not smoke until my son is tucked up in bed, not even in the garden. I may have a beer when I get in from work and most evenings a couple of glasses of wine with and following dinner.

What I dislike about this topic is the constant swipe inferring, mainly from Neil, that all smokers are inconsiderate.

That would be like me (43yrs) saying that all 'old' folk are inconsiderate as when cruising I experience many (and I mean many) that fit extremely well into that category. However, that would be to ignore all the considerate 'old' folk that we also meet during each cruise.

I just think that people should respect each others choice. British smokers in the vast majority abide by the ever changing rules relating to where smoking is permitted on cruiseships. We tend to respect the rules and conform. If we were no conforming then I could understand Neil view, but from my experience you never see British smokers smoking in the no smoking areas. However, you do see, everyday on cruises, if you are minded to watch, many non smokers bullying smokers whilst they choice to pass through a designated 'smoking area'. The age group of these bullies, yes you have guessed it!!

Vinny , Every Time this is opened up nothing any different comes from it, there are the usual arguments and ganging up from one side or the other.The usual comments that if you don't smoke you must be miserable etc, Neil is entitled to his opinion as are all of us however,when happens they shout him down, because he doesn't agree,he hates smoking, and god forbid if anyone dares support him.
So Vinny , what will all this achieve absolutely nothing, and in a few months time , when someone is feeling bored it will start over again,I feel that the posters who used to join in originally have given up that is why Neil is in the minority of protesters,but good luck to him he sticks to his guns, and my opinion? well as an ex smoker who gave up 25 years ago and a moderate drinker let's just say giving up smoking was the best thing I have ever done.But it is down to the individual to sort out their lifestyles? I argee that the older generation are still the largest group of smokers, but they certainly are not bullies, as for all these people who say they gave up , why not ask them why they gave up.

I've not really contributed to the smoking threads before but I do think that Dave has made a very valid point regarding alcohol addiction. As an ex smoker, I try to be tolerant of those who still do. It's not difficult, since recent legislation has stopped people smoking in pubs etc. My OH still chooses to smoke but does so in the garden-no problem.
However, on numerous occasions, (including cruise ships), I have had to suffer people who have had too much to drink, thereby sometimes having become very loud, self opinionated ot just plain obnoxious. In itself, that may not be a health hazzard but it can be much more unpleasant than a whiff of smoke.

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I've not really contributed to the smoking threads before but I do think that Dave has made a very valid point regarding alcohol addiction. As an ex smoker, I try to be tolerant of those who still do. It's not difficult, since recent legislation has stopped people smoking in pubs etc. My OH still chooses to smoke but does so in the garden-no problem.
However, on numerous occasions, (including cruise ships), I have had to suffer people who have had too much to drink, thereby sometimes having become very loud, self opinionated ot just plain obnoxious. In itself, that may not be a health hazzard but it can be much more unpleasant than a whiff of smoke.

I agree Jill. Also woth noting the amount of marriages and families that have been destroyed by alcohol.

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I agree Jill. Also woth noting the amount of marriages and families that have been destroyed by alcohol.

Absolutely. Not to mention death on the roads.

A very good and well-thought out post Vinny. I do agree with you but better get your tin-hat out.;)

MarieF, you are correct, everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, it is true that some of the 'opinions' are written in such a way to be stated as facts which I think is what Vinny is commenting on. If people do respond by 'shouting down' it is surely no surprise.

It would appear to be the reverse, in my opinion, there are still plenty people willing to agree with Neil's 'opinion', but God forbid that anyone ask a question about where they can smoke.

Hi Marie C did you have a good time away? it makes me laugh the assumption that if you don't smoke you must be an alcoholic, I think most of us enjoy a nice glass of wine now and then and alot of cruisers only drink while on holiday. What I cannot stand is the amount of posters who when Neil posts feel thay have to be so rude, yes I know Neil dosen't hold back, but there are some on here who delight in winding people up, and turning it into a slanging match ,and lo and behold !here we go again.